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Post It's too far to the toilet
Dale is on the bed a lot during the day. He wears a condom catheter only at night. Since he is marginally mobile, attaching a catheter full time seems premature. He wears a diaper for occasional accidents.

However, getting him to the toilet is becoming more of a task now. What are the options? What sort of urine device do you keep near the bed for a male to use?

Someone posted something about using cat litter to keep down the splash.

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Leone Carroll (75); wife of Dale (75) who passed away March 23, 2011


Sun Jan 16, 2011 4:47 pm
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A urinal? http://www.amazon.com/ISG-707OO-Plastic-Urinal-Male/dp/B000H7341I

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Sun Jan 16, 2011 4:58 pm
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Leone,
My Motto became "Have Urinal will travel"

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Irene - isn't it healthy to find some humor in the midst of the dementia nightmare? Lynn

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Post Re: It's too far to the toilet
Another option - bedside commode


Sun Jan 16, 2011 6:38 pm
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The bedside commode is impractical because he would need to stand up from the bed to use it. It's the standing and sitting again on the toilet that's the problem now. I have a male urinal. I used it when he fell on the kitchen floor and I was waiting for the caregiver to arrive.

I thought there might be something else .... Who posted the 'cat litter' suggestion? The small urinal needs to be held by me .... and it doesn't make any sense to put cat litter into it. Maybe they were refering to a bed pan. (???)

I guess I'm looking for something more clever. :lol:

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Leone, the urinal is the most practical. They can pee laying down and doesn't need cat litter in it. That is the only thing Fran pees in. Keeps the bathroom floor dry and clean. heh heh Bernie


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Bernie,
Funny that you mention keeping the Bathroom floer cleaner, this is the very reason we started with it, I was so tired of cleaning the floor with pee on it and I had a Handrail installed directly in the front of the tiolet area because I often found him holding the towel bar which was not sturdy enough for that and it worked so well, I also had a handrail installed in the bedroom on a small wall closest to his side of the bed and if he needed to get up in the night it worked well, we did switch over to the texas cath at night !

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Yes Lynn,
We have to find some humor in some of this ! This illness could swallow you whole if we didn't !

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Irene, that is also why I bought one. Fran's eyesight is poor and he always missed the toilet and aimed at the floor. Ugh Bernie


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Years ago--well before Lewy--I had wondered how it was that my husband managed to miss to toilet so much. One day, the door was ajar and I saw him facing the toilet, taking a pee, with his hands on his hips! Good grief, he didn't even have a hold of it!! No wonder! :evil:

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It's not very glamourus or high-tech, but a urinal is a wonderful device! We carry one under the front seat of the car. When Coy says, "pull over at the next restroom" we have an alternative in case that is not in the next mile or two. He doesn't get much warning and that little plastic bottle has saved his dignity (and my car seats) many times!

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We have a urinal in both bathrooms, much easier that coaching to sit, although, I'll ask if he needs to pee or have a BM, half the time we'll use the urinal get his pants up and he'll start to pull them down. He wants to sit, sometimes he has a BM, sometime not.

In both the car and truck I have a bag with a change of clothes and underware, wipes, plastic trash bags and an empty jar, mine's a plastic peanut butter jar/lid. We've had to use the jar a couple times and I was able to cap it and empty it at home. The change of clothes was used when we were at our daughters. He went to the 3rd floor to use the bathroom and WHAT a mess. He had a BM before he got seated and attemped to clean it up, there was poo everywhere, sink, walls, shower curtain and all over the toilet and floor. Thank goodness we we weren't at a public restroom. I was able to put him in the tub and get him cleaned up while our daughter got our emergency bag out of the truck.

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Dale literally falls onto the wheelchair at this point .... so the image of him attempting to sit on a bedside commode makes me smile. :roll: I'm sure he would crush it. It occurs to me that I'm glad he is a male and we can use a urinal fairly easily.

Thanks for all the hints. I will have a change of clothing and wipes in the car when I take him to the doctor. He wears a diaper but a BM could be a real problem. Trash bags will help as well.

There is no way I can get Dale into a tub now. He is stiff as a board most of the time. That's why I started doing bed baths.

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Gerry, I can so relate to your experience! This happened to us on several occasions--especially when he would try to take off his soiled Depends by himself.

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